Talk:The Stamina Crunch

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Most of the opinions stated on this page are wrong and most likely rooted in a poor understanding of game mechanics IMO.

List of "useless"? powers :

SWIFT adds move bonus for NO end cost. It's the difference between catching the runner before he heals or running around corner to live long enough for your heal.. without activating another end draining power like sprint.

HURDLE gives you about same movement speed as a person using the end draining sprint while hopping. Also it is one of the best defences against speed siphoners. A person with hurdle can hop with little to no move penalty. And cost NO end.

HEALTH cost NO end and greatly improves a chars ability to survive by making you regenerate hit points faster. Also it is one of best places to stick that recovery proc that adds .25/sec end recov.

COMBAT JUMPING Now this one is huge. In poster's examples he used a blaster. My blasters ussually pick of CJ in early levels even if they plan to respec out of it later for other moves. End cost is negligable at .06/sec yet it gives nice liitle def boost but more importantly it gives immobilization protection. In low level game play an immobilized blaster is a dead blaster.

Poster swaps these "useless" powers for other pretty flashy ones and asks which would be funner to play. Well since using each attack ONCE in a fight (in 2nd build) costs 156.2 endurance points all while trying to run a toggle that uses .78/sec. I would say PLAYING the first build would be funner then standing around waiting for enough end to fire my next attack. Having all a sets powers but not being able to use them in a fight has little appeal to me.

There is some good advice on this page but nothing not found on another page. Even using the second build as a power bypass is subjectional. Sure I do it sometimes, but have many alts that are better off using the dual builds for a team vs solo build. After all you really don't need your shields/team buffs when solo. Also I take issue with the last line about Stamina being useful not required. For MY playstyle it very much IS required on all but 1 or 2 builds I made, but technically it IS true.. with the exception of the first power of your secondary set ALL the powers are "usefull but not required". However in my opinion the effectiveness of my chars is directly related to the usefullness of my powers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robray946 (talk • contribs) 01:26, September 30, 2009

Thanks for your opinions. Your input is appreciated, but does not change my guide in the least. Please note that I did say that you can use utility powers if you want:

Heck, you can even substitute SWIFT in for one of the powers if you like the movement speed bonus, or play with random power pools

Goodnight. ~ AGGE talk/cons 01:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes you did say that, but what I have problem with is you saying these powers are useless, which could not be further from the truth. Also I speak from experience when I say getting all the powers in a set because the "look neat" but not having the stamina to use them sucks. lol — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robray946 (talk • contribs) 19:04, September 30, 2009

I never called any of the powers useless. I never once used "useless" in the article. I called them "utility powers that don't really do much for you", which is entirely true, and COMPLETELY different than "useless". Also, I like how you started your first comment with a quasi-insult on my grasp of the game mechanics, which just amuses me to no end since I probably have a firmer grasp on the mechanics than 90% of the player base. ;)

Additionally, please remember to sign your talk page comments with four tildes (~~~~). I keep having to use the {{unsigned}} template on your comments. ~ AGGE talk/cons 02:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Combat Jumping/Hurdle

I just wanted to point out if you take combat jumping and hurdle together, you get pretty decent jumping speed; not quite super jump speed but much better than just running. I've used this combination on many characters and put off taking a travel power until the late 20s many times. Nowadays, especially with mission teleports, ouroboros portals, wentworth/black market teleporters and others, long-range mobility isn't as big a deal, so this more than serves well. I agree entirely with the mention of inspirations, too- some powersets struggle more than others but all of them are much easier just by carrying a few blue inspirations. --Professor Immortal 18:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Outdated?

I'm new to this game, but I think this entire article is outdated. RogerWilco 16:24, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations for stating the obvious, it was written in 2009. :) It's not entirely outdated, as there are still folks who have trouble managing their endurance even with stamina being inherent. ~ AGGE talk/cons 18:22, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

To be fair, it's not obvious that the article is outdated. There's nothing that states as much and there's nothing obvious stating it was written in 2009. You'd have to look at the history -- which is an unfair thing for us to expect all readers to do. -- Sekoia 20:18, 5 February 2012 (UTC)