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While text errors generally do not qualify as bugs, this one is a possible exception in that it directs the player to speak with a contact that cannot complete the task. In fact, it's always done this, even when you selected Matthew Burke as your first contact. The nav window will say "return to contact" and the contact is Mr. Rodney, so the likelihood of getting it screwed up is minimal...

Should this notice remain as a bug note, since it provably instructs the user to do something that isn't what they need to do? --GuyPerfect 18:59, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

To 99% of people, the distinction you are making is pointless. I don't understand the need for a veritable edit war over this. Pick one, it really doesn't matter which. Bugs are things that are wrong with the game, that's pretty broad, and you seem to be unnecessarily narrowing it based solely on semantics. Even I don't get that (and if you knew me, that says something... I love semantics games). — Pill-37.png Talk · Cont 19:01, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Folks have agreed in multiple threads in the past that Guy has a rather restrictive idea of the term bug, one which pretty much no other editor shares. "Bugs are things that are wrong with the game." Indeed. ~ AGGE talk/cons 19:28, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Think there's one person wrong and I'm it, huh? Let's see what other people think. Here's an excerpt from a conversation in a global channel, edited only to remove irrelevant chatter:
  • Guy Perfect: Quick poll, here... Which of the following items would you say constitute a "bug"? A) The last objective does not appear on the minimap. B) The word "it's" is used as a possessive. C) A chat message uses the wrong contact name.
  • Guy Perfect: You can pick more than one
  • [...]
  • Person A: they are all /bug worthy
  • Person B: in this context, a bug is something to use /bugreport :P
  • [...]
  • Guy Perfect: Okay, then I'll rephrase. The context I'm interested in is on the wiki, whether to label things with a bug notice or just an editor's note.
  • Person C: in that case I would say A
  • Person C: ...still iffy on C
  • Person D: A's th eonly one I'd call a bug.  the others are irritating, but not quite bugs.
  • Person C: yeah I'd say C is an editor's note, and B is not worth mentioning on the wiki
  • [...]
  • Person A: I'd /bug them all, put A on the wiki as only A affects gameplay
  • [...]
  • Person E: [...] I put in my vote of just A, unless it's not clear who C refers to. B is way too common a typo ot properly bug, but it does drive me nuts sometimes :)
I did not remove any messages that disagreed with my stance--literally every reply saw things the way I do. --GuyPerfect 19:42, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
That's all well and good, but not all the things you just altered fall so neatly into your ABC paradigm up there. And just so we are clear, I don't really care what they are noted as, so long as they are noted so that users of the wiki know things might not be as they expect. So, I won't comment any further on which should be used... just that it shouldn't really be a significant argument. — Pill-37.png Talk · Cont 19:47, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Wiktionary defines bug as "A problem that needs fixing, especially in computing". Merriam-Webster defines it as "an unexpected defect, fault, flaw, or imperfection". So if you want to get into semantics, a textual error may not be a software bug, but it still can very much be considered a bug. I'll also note that textual errors are commonly reported in bug tracking systems, because it's the only way to report them. So I would argue that when the word "bug" is used, it often includes both software bugs and non-software bugs. -- Sekoia 20:44, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Is this referencing the bottom of this section where the final clue (or whatever that's supposed to be) says "Take this back to Fortunata Kalinda back in the Rogue Isles to prove yourself worthy as a destined one of Lord Recluse!"? If so, then I fail to see why the note even belongs on this page. The note applies to the end of the series of missions after you've already found the contact. If it somehow got in the way of you finding the contact in the first place, I could see it going here, and even perhaps as a bug. But as it stands, I consider this a minor discrepenancy that should be noted with EdNote next to the clue in the mission itself. However if this is all in reference to something else, then the note on the page is unclear. -- Sekoia 20:32, 12 July 2012 (UTC)